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April 16, 2004 12:01 AM

Broken: MSN software list

William Morris writes:

After recently rebuilding my Windows 2000 machine, I went looking for MSN Messenger as the final step in the process-- naturally I ended up at

As you can see from the picture, the version they're currently offering is for WindowsXP. The text clearly states: "If you are using a different operating system, please select another version on the left side of the screen." But there are no other versions listed there! There are no links here, or anywhere else that I could determine, that take you to previous versions anywhere on the website Luckily, we had a copy sitting on our server at work. Hard to develop for it if you can't find it...


Where'd you even find this? Every Messenger download I've found on MSN gives the option to choose an OS. I've checked:

*, then click the Messenger link at the top, links you to

*, has separate links for each OS

*, top-level download link detects OS from browser settings

*, Download link lets you choose an OS

I agree that the page you show is broken *if* it's not already in a logged-in state of some kind (e.g. you've already identified to the web page what OS you have), but I can't seem to find any such page. Has MS perhaps already corrected it?

Posted by: Grant Bugher at April 16, 2004 12:58 AM

I've really gotta say - a majority of the entries posted here lately have been intermittent, unreproducible, or not really broken at all...

There are certainly a lot of broken designs in the world, but This Is Broken is not, in my opinion, picking good examples.

Posted by: Daniel Drucker at April 16, 2004 02:22 AM

So Daniel, what you're saying is that This Is Broken is broken?

Posted by: Michael at April 16, 2004 08:44 AM

I agree with Dan. I myself have submitted what I thought is a much better example of brokeness ( - a Japenese lawfirm called "Morrison & Foerster") about a month ago, but to no avail. I wonder what's up.

Posted by: never mind that at April 17, 2004 06:09 PM

Incidentally, MoFo isn't just Japanese (they've got offices all over the world, but primarily in the United States), and the double-entendre in their name is mostly intentional.

Posted by: mendel at April 18, 2004 02:32 PM

MoFo is well aware of the double-entendre of their name, and have been for years. They were known as MoFo long before they set up

Posted by: Steve Jackson at April 22, 2004 04:06 PM

Out of curiosity, were you looking for MSN

messenger, because Windows messanger is a very

annoying 'service' (it generates pop-up like

messages. good for network admins, but bad for

people at home. Unfortunately people have

learned to broadcast ads using the messenger

service) I don't think I've seen any OS

before XP that runs the service.

Posted by: J Elmore at April 22, 2004 05:36 PM

This was almost certainly a frames-related error: the "other OSes" were available in the outside frame, but the link found went to the inner frame alone.

What's broken here is that folks who use frames don't think about this happening, and don't offer links back to the page the way they meant it to appear.

What's more broken is that folks still use frames...


Posted by: phsiii at April 27, 2004 09:10 PM

No one has seemed to notice the brokenness of the statement " with both [item number one], [item number two], and [item number three]..."

You can't work with BOTH of more than two things.. They could have simply removed the word "both" and had a gramatically-correct sentence..

Posted by: Brian at March 18, 2005 12:49 PM

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